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Why should one upgrade to Quicken 2014

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It is not a matter of free speech, you are complaining in the wrong place and not helping at all with users with a real problem in the use of Quicken.  There are thousands of programs out there that do not make use of the Windows 8 interface, why not go complain about them on their websites.  Frankly, I'm glad that Quicken has not forced that interface on us yet, it will probably be the one thing in life that will prompt me to switch to a Mac.


Since you keep closing my post before I can respond to you, I can only think that you don't want a dialog.  This will be my last attempt.  You can have the final word.  Your comments above are wrong.  No one would be forced to use Windows 8 or Windows Phone if there were apps for them.  You can still use earlier versions of Windows or MAC, of course.


I have made the suggestions for these apps.  I have also asked for a web portal so that anyone with a tablet or smartphone could access their Quicken files in the Cloud.  Right now, I have a feature in Quicken 2013 (and now in 2014) that I cannot access.  This is discrimination and Quicken has a monopoly (now that MS Money is not a product) and so has an obligation to support their customers.  And not play favorites.


Now you can disagree and you can close my posts, but facts are stubborn things.  This is my last attempt to dialog with you. I won't bother again, which should make you very happy.


I still would like to hear from people who have Quicken 2014 to see if there is any thing in it to coax me into updating.

    For the record, I did NOT close either of your previous posts, so you can apologize for accusing me of doing so.

    I've tried Windows 8.1 and found it on par with Windows ME.
      I question whether your intention has been to get information about Q2014; your posts are more about making complaints than asking for advice or insights.

      The value of a product is in the mind of the individual user: a product loved by one, may be hated by another.

      We're not in marketing (or the complaint department): try the product for yourself.

      You can purchase Quicken, test it for your personal needs, and if you do not like it or don't consider it worth keeping for any reason whatsoever; you can get a full refund within 60 days of purchase.
      • Well, I keep asking for reasons to update (I always have updated and prefer to do so even though I am disappointed it still doesn't have an app for Windows 8.1 (Desktop or Phone).  I would like to know if there are other improvements that would make it worthwhile for me.  If I were willing to give up on the product, I would just go away.  It seems that people want to take umbrage with me because they don't use Windows 8.1 and are happy about that.  I have tried to point out that I would like to use the cloud feature too.  I don't think that is unreasonable of me and I have even suggested a browser version so everyone can use it regardless of the brand of tablet or smartphone they use.  But the attitude around here seems to be like a dog in the manger keeping the hay for yourselves.  All I want is to have an equal chance to access the features of a software program I support and pay for.
      If I may...
      Re: "Right now, I have a feature in Quicken 2013 (and now in 2014) that I cannot access.    This is discrimination and Quicken has a monopoly (now that MS Money is not a product) and so has an obligation to support their customers.  And not play favorites."
      Facts are stubborn things.  Consider:
      1) Quicken is not a regulated/protected monopoly in the same way of the electric or gas company are.  Like every other company Intuit has to allocate resources where the company believes they can yield the best return.  I believe the problems are a) The potential market for Mac-based software is dramatically smaller that market for Wintel-based products.  I cannot find domestic numbers which would be more suitable but worldwide, the installed base for Macs of all flavors just passed 72Million in June of this year.  Meanwhile, the installed base of WinTel computers worldwide is in the neighborhood of 1.25Billion. 
      2) As a product, Quicken's intuitiveness and ease of use is very tightly connected to the GUI environment offered by the OS.  I believe there are substantial differences between how a programmer would have to approach and code many tasks in the Apple's iMac enviroment vs how you do the same thing in the MS Windows environment.  Consequently, the costs to port a new version and features from a Wintel environment to a native Mac environment may be quite high.  The same is true for the support costs of having to maintain what are basically two different products without any revenue beyond the initial or recurring purchases.  In all likelihood, Intuit probably did try to build up a commercially viable Mac user-base.  Most likely, they just have not found that the associated revenue is enough to support extensive development or improvement.  Only the government can stay in business without the need to deploy assets effectively, but I digress. 
      The best chance to unify the cross-platform efforts may end up being to code in Java but with many different flavors of Java VMs in the world, developing hardcore application logic that would run correctly on all of them while updating databases like qdata, exchanging data with mirads of FIs and recovering from whatever may happen would be daunting.  It is easy to use JAVA or other embedded controls to display dynamic web content but IMHO that is a far cry from attempting to run a common complex JAVA business application across all possible environments that may be encountered.     
      Consider: Now that Apple as abandoned the initial Motorola 68000 CPUs and the RISC PowerPCs and gone with processors in the Intel x86 family, many iMac users have found it very easy to run a Wintel VM as client on top of their iMac OS.  You have access to the best of both worlds. 
      There are many products, especially in media and production where apple as a corner on that market.  No one would scream that those companies should spend $$$ porting and attempting to sell those products on WinTel platforms.  The same works the other way.  It is probably not discrimination, it is just business.     
      www.mint.com may be going in a direction you may find attractive but personally, I do not really want all of my financial info and access credentials concentrated and hosted on anyone's web servers.  I would rather have it encrypted inside my house or deposit box. 

      Re your underlying question about upgrading to Q2014:
           That probably depends the most on what product and version you are running right now.  If you are on a native Mac product there are apparently a lot of things that you can do in Quicken for Windows that you cannot do in the Mac product.  If you are running a version of QW 2012 or QW2013, my personal impression would be not so much.  I really liked QW 2011 but no longer run it.
      I do not have anything against Macs but I recognize what I believe are likely to be the realities of the situation. 
      • Thank you for your long and thoughtful answer.  I understand that it may not make business sense to make everything available on every platform, which is one reason I suggested a browser based portal for the rest of us.  My understanding is that Microsoft has made tools available to convert Android and IPhone apps to WinPhone.  (It may still not be that easy, but figure that Quicken could do it).  Anyhow, I appreciate the answer and hope that the folks at Quicken will take my suggestions to heart.  I also hope others will make the suggestions to them as well.

        I'll probably update to Q2014 as I usually do.  I like Quicken and want to support it.  I was just surprised to see them not support Windows 8 for a second straight year.
      • I guess I am coming in in the middle of  a exchange and do not know what has gone on before.  I would agree it may be reasonable for Intuit to release a version of their mobile app for win8 phones but is is probably all about market share.  MS has been very late to the handheld device market.  Who knows what is going to happen after Baumer (sic) is replaced but the Win8 phones have not had the market penetration that MS hoped or expected.  In terms of not supporting WIn8, I assume you mean the phones.  
        To Apple's credit, one thing I believe Apple has done very well is design their products in that space so that the same app that runs on an iPhone can run on an iPad touch, or iPad.   Even though MS calls everything Win8 and it has much the same look/feel across phones, tablets, and PCs, it dramatically lacks the type of program compatibility that Apple has achieved.   For instance, Microsoft offers two version of their Surface tablet (RT and Pro) which have processors with completely different instruction sets and cannot run the same versions of any of their applications on the tablets.  
        It may make sense for Intuit to develop a Quicken-like browser-based web service.  If they did, I would think it would be on top of the www.mint.com product they have purchased.  It may be easier to add additional services and features to an existing web-service based product than to take a large and complex application program and  turn it into a set of massively multi-user web services.
      You have the last word, as illogical as it is.
        And thank you for letting me know you didn't close it.  I apologize for that.  Now does anyone have anything to say in favor of my updating to 2014?
        • Not at this time. Q2014 R2 is bug-ridden.
        • Thank you.  I look forward to other useful answers.
        • Well, put it this way, I upgraded immediately after Quicken 2013 was available because I was eager beaver and hot to trot to start using the Mobile App.  We all know what a nightmare that was.  I'd wait on Quicken 2014 at least for another 6 months before actually purchasing and upgrading it (let them work the bugs out).